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Di solito questo genere di episodi non hanno mai un bel risvolto per i responsabili.... :s22:

Ricordate quando nel 2003 l'USS Hartford si appoggiò alla secca delle bisce danneggiando il timone e parte dello scafo (in quel caso l'equipaggio mi pare fosse recidivo, avevano accumulato già qualche sanzione per problemi di rotta e punto nave)?

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Di solito questo genere di episodi non hanno mai un bel risvolto per i responsabili.... :s22:

Ricordate quando nel 2003 l'USS Hartford si appoggiò alla secca delle bisce danneggiando il timone e parte dello scafo (in quel caso l'equipaggio mi pare fosse recidivo, avevano accumulato già qualche sanzione per problemi di rotta e punto nave)?

Per non parlare di ciò che accadde al nostro "Vittorio Veneto", vedi topic al link: http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php?showtopic=28421 .

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Immagino proprio di si, il "gratta panza" non fa mai bene, soprattutto se il fondale non è sabbioso..

 

Per non parlare di ciò che accadde al nostro "Vittorio Veneto", vedi topic al link: http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php?showtopic=28421 .

 

Gli incidenti in Mediterraneo si sprecano, per rimanere in tema cito anche: quello dell'USS Ray in quel di Cagliari nel '77, quello del battello tedesco nel '95 in Sardegna, quello dell'USS Oklahoma City nel '02 sempre da qualche parte vicino alla Sardegna etc. etc.

In quasi tutti questi casi i responsabili sono stati rimossi dal comando..

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Quello che mi chiedo e' che conseguenze ha avuto per il RN; non tanto per conseguenze ambientali, quanto per il fatto che e' stato progettato per un vero minimo di interventi di manutenzione e riparazione (es. il core e' sigillato e dovrebbe durare per l' intera vita operativa del battello)

 

Il vistoso pennacchio di fumo che si vede in tutte le foto mi fa sospettare che abbiano avviato i diesels di emergenza: precauzione o indisponibilita' del RN ? (credo proprio che uno scram di un RN progettato con un core sigillato sia un filino costoso da resettare....)

 

Saluti,

dott. Piergirgio.

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Sembrerebbe che l'"Astute" abbia passato il limite di sicurezza segnalato da due boe rosse, che avvertono della presenza di scogli pericolosi per la navigazione.

 

Il Comandante di un battello di salvataggio ha dichiarato che il sottomarino è andato in una zona dove lui, con la sua imbarcazione di 12 metri, non si sarebbe mai avventurato.

 

Oltre la necessità di effettuare un trasferimento di personale, tra le ipotesi che vengono fatte per giustificare l'azione del Comandante dell'"Astute", vi sarebbe quella relativa alla necessità di sfuggire ad un sottomarino russo che navigava al largo e che poteva registrare la segnatura acustica del nuovo SSN inglese.

 

Altra ipotesi è che siano state utilizzate carte nautiche sorpassate, allorché il fondo marino si modifica frequentemente al largo dell'isola di Skye.

 

L'"Astute" è stato disincagliato venerdì sera da un rimorchiatore e ha poi raggiunto con i propri mezzi acque più profonde.

 

Una valutazione dei danni subiti dal sottomarino è in corso, per determinare se lo stesso potrà raggiungere la sua base di Faslane, anche in questo caso, con i propri mezzi o avrà bisogno di assistenza.

 

Per maggiori particolari, potete dare uno sguardo agli articoli in francese (da cui ho tratto le informazioni riportate) ai seguenti link:

 

http://www.corlobe.tk/article21608.html

 

http://www.corlobe.tk/article21604.html

 

e a quelli in inglese (che ritengo riportino ulteriori dettagli) ai link:

 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish...86908-22655730/

 

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world...1024-16ywx.html .

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La Royal Navy, con grande enfasi, annuncia la prima uscita in mare dal cantiere dell' HMS Artful, 3° battello della classe Astute. vi linko all'articolo: http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2015/august/13/150813-artful-sails-on-maiden-voyage. date un occhiata anche alle foto a Barrow di questa "pietra miliare"

 

 

‘Extraordinary’ Artful sails on maiden voyage

 

13/08/2015

This is the world’s most advanced hunter-killer submarine putting to sea for the first time – £1bn of leading-edge British technology, ship-building and know-how.

Nearly ten and a half years after the first steel was cut on her, HMS Artful departed Barrow to begin her maiden trials – 15 months after she was rolled out of the cavernous construction hall at BAE Systems yard.

Commanding Officer Commander Scott Bower guided the third of the Silent Service’s Astute-class boats out of Devonshire Dock, past the raised span of the Michaelson Road bridge, down the dog-leg of Buccleuch Dock, into the Walney Channel and finally out into the open waters of the Irish Sea.

There she’s testing various systems before making her debut in her future home of Faslane, already the base of her older sisters HMS Astute and Ambush.

“The crew, alongside the workers at BAE Systems, have done a sterling job in generating more than a million parts into a submarine,” said Cdr Bower of his boat which has been compared in terms of complexity with the Space Shuttle.

“Artful’s capabilities are extraordinary – she represents the next step in our country’s history of operating submarines.

“I’m now looking forward to proving what she is capable of during our sea trials – and continuing our progress towards our first operational mission.”

In the 15 months since the boat entered the water, Artful has undergone numerous tests of her propulsion and power systems – notably her nuclear reactor – and carried out a partial dive in the dock (it’s wide and long enough to accommodate an A-boat, but at ‘only’ 82ft waters are not deep enough to submerge the Astutes entirely).

Like the boat, the 100-strong crew have gone through similarly-exhaustive instruction and practice, culminating in an assessment by the team from the Flag Officer Sea Training just before Artful put to sea.

Thanks to the lessons learned building her sisters, the boat departed Barrow in a considerably more advanced state – which will speed up the time it will take for her to complete trials and training and beginning front-line patrols.

Tony Johns, managing director of BAE Systems Submarines, said seeing the 97-metre boat leave was the crowning moment of “a huge amount of hard work from everyone at BAE, our partners and the hundreds of businesses in our supply chain network.

“Everyone involved in the Astute programme should feel immensely proud of their achievements as the third in class Astute submarine reaches this significant milestone.”

 

 

 

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i NUC hanno pregi e difetti e, soprattutto, dipendono da una direttiva precisa dei governi in fatto di politica estera.(vi prego non entriamo in fatti politici!)

 

Tutto sommato forse a noi non servono. Gli stessi inglesi hanno cercato soluzioni innovative per sostiture le capacità strategiche dei nucleari. forse ricorderete questo post di magico 8/88 http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php?showtopic=44566 sui battelli con turbina a gas

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Consegnato il terzo Astute. articolo e foto al link http://www.defencetalk.com/third-astute-submarine-formally-handed-over-to-the-royal-navy-66103/

 

 

Third Astute Submarine Formally Handed Over to the Royal Navy

The third of the new Astute Class attack submarines, Artful, has officially been handed over to the Royal Navy.

Until now the submarine was owned by Defence Equipment and Support (DE&S), the MOD’s body responsible for procuring and supporting equipment for the Armed Forces.

The boat and her crew will now be added to the Royal Navy Fleet alongside the Navy’s other units. Defence Minister Philip Dunne said:

“The handover of Artful to the Royal Navy is another major step in the Astute Class submarine programme, which continues to gather pace. These attack submarines will provide the Royal Navy with the most technologically advanced submarine Britain has ever sent to sea and will be a vital part of UK security for decades to come.

“They are being funded by our growing Defence budget and our £178 billion investment in equipment, which is delivering the very best possible kit to our Armed Forces.”

Following her hand over on Thursday 10 December, the next milestone for the boat will be an official commissioning ceremony in March 2016, where her sponsor, Lady Amanda Zambellas, will formally welcome Artful into the fleet in the home of the UK Submarine Service, HM Naval Base Clyde.

Lady Zambellas said:

“This is a really important milestone in the life of Artful as she takes her place in the Fleet under the White Ensign. I am extremely proud of my association with the submarine and look forward to her commissioning next year when I will also meet the Ship’s Company that will take her on operations around the world.”

Since her arrival on the Clyde in August, Artful has continued her programme of Contractor Sea Trials. Most recently Rear Admiral Submarines John Weale became the first officer to be officially piped onboard the Royal Navy’s newest warship, and there was a change of command from Captain Scott Bower to Commander Stuart Armstrong.

“I very much welcome Artful’s firepower, state of the art communications equipment and advanced stealth technologies into the fleet,” said Rear Admiral Weale, head of the UK Submarine Service.

Artful is one of seven Astute class submarines being built for the Royal Navy by BAE Systems Marine Services (BAES(MS)) in Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria, which are progressively replacing the Trafalgar Class submarines. HMS Astute, HMS Ambush, and now Artful, are the first of the Class to be accepted by Navy Command, which is responsible for operating all of the Royal Navy’s vessels.

Rear Admiral Mike Wareham, Director Submarines Acquisition at DE&S, the MOD’s procurement organisation, said:

“The handover of Artful to the Royal Navy is a proud moment for DE&S reflecting a key milestone and a significant achievement in the Astute programme. It follows a number of sea trials which have successfully demonstrated the submarine’s capability and means she can now begin to prepare for operations with the Royal Navy.”

The next two submarines in the Class, Audacious and Anson, are currently being built in Barrow, with Agamemnon and the unnamed Boat 7 to follow.

BAE Systems is responsible for delivering all seven Astute Class submarines and for the design of the successor to the Vanguard class, which will carry the UK’s nuclear deterrent, also based at HM Naval Base Clyde.


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Non saprei supersubway, ma in genere le prestazioni di entrambi i paesi sono sempre state vicine.

 

Da un recente articolo di defencetalk al link http://www.defencetalk.com/royal-navy-commissions-astute-class-submarine-hms-artful-67123/#ixzz43vqM1BBY

apprendiamo che l'Artful è ufficialmente stato consegnato alla RN. A parte il tam tam mediatico dell'articolo, che preme molto sulla inderogabile necessità di questi 8 battelli, mi colpisce molto la naturalezza con cui parlano del successore dei Vanguard, come se fosse cosa fatta, e della base di Faslane come consolidata. E' vero che la consultazione popolare ha detto di volere rimanere legata alla Regina, però il malcontento

 

 

Royal Navy Commissions Astute Class submarine HMS Artful

Astute Class submarine HMS Artful has officially become a Commissioned Warship of the Royal Navy at a ceremony at HM Naval Base Clyde.

Guest of honour at the ceremony was the submarine’s sponsor Lady Zambellas, who had named Artful in September 2013, before her launch in May 2014, in Barrow in Furness.

Amanda Zambellas was joined by her husband Admiral Sir George Zambellas, the First Sea Lord and head of the Naval Service, representatives of the companies involved in Artful’s construction and operation as well as the submarine’s 150 crew, their families and friends.

“This is a red letter day that marks the beginning of the next crucial stage of development for the Royal Navy and its Submarine Service,” said Admiral Sir George Zambellas, First Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Staff.

“Today’s ceremony dramatically increases the operational capability of the Submarine Service with the commissioning of our third Astute-class boat, and is another milestone in the journey towards HM Naval Base Clyde becoming the UK Submarine Centre of Specialisation by 2020.”

Lady Amanda Zambellas said:

“It is wonderful that so many families and affiliates could join HMS Artful for her big day. Over a decade has passed since her keel was laid, so it is hugely rewarding for everyone involved with the project to finally see the White Ensign flying from her stern. While the technology inside is impressive, it is the Ship’s Company who really give HMS Artful her soul. Through their expertise and a good sense of fun, I know they really will live up to her name, and I look forward to supporting her in the many years ahead”.

Since she was handed over to the Royal Navy by BAE Systems Submarines in December 2015, Artful has been conducting trials to prove her systems and equipment at sea, ahead of her first operational deployment later in 2017. The highlight of the trials was the firing of six heavyweight Spearfish torpedoes on the British Underwater Testing and Evaluation Centre near the Isle of Skye.

Artful is the first of the Royal Navy’s submarines to be fitted with the Common Combat System (CCS), which is regarded as the digital ‘brain’ of the boat controlling its ‘eyes’, ‘ears’ and ‘nervous system’.

Artful’s two sister boats Astute and Ambush have already successfully conducted operational deployments. Both have deployed to the Mediterranean, and Middle East where they have been involved in anti-smuggling and security operations and have provided Tomahawk Land Attack Missile (TLAM) capability in support of anti-terrorism operations in the region.

The Astute-class are the largest, most advanced and most powerful attack submarines ever operated by the Royal Navy, combining world leading sensors, design and weaponry in a versatile vessel.

HMS Astute, HMS Ambush, and now Artful, are the first of the Class to be accepted by Navy Command, which is responsible for operating all of the Royal Navy’s vessels. The next two submarines in the Class, Audacious and Anson, are currently being built in Barrow, with Agamemnon and the unnamed Boat 7 to follow.

BAE Systems is responsible for delivering the Astute Class and for the design of the successor to the Vanguard class, Successor, which will carry the UK’s nuclear deterrent, and also be based at HM Naval Base Clyde.

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Il comletamento della classe Astue potrebbe essere ritardata o cancellata!

La notizia arriva dal Daily star al link https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/681133/uk-nuclear-submarine-navy-russia-government-budget-black-hole e non sembra proprio una notizia da "giornaletto" (non voglio dire che il DS lo sia).

 

La Marin di Sua Maesta sembra costernata da questo annuncio, nonostante i tanti problemi (e gli scandali che affliggono la sua componente subacquea, anche tenendo presente il riarmo sottomarino russo......

 

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Rianimo il post con una bella e chiara info-grafica trovata in rete, tra l'altro di buone dimensionie ed anche commentata

 

 

 

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particolare, la zona dedicata al nucleare molto spostata in avanti, molto baricentrica, la sala controllo anch'essa spostata in avanti ed una vela che sembra una selva di mast :blink: :blink: :blink:

Un'altra cosa che mi lascia perplesso è la sistemazione dei timoni a croce e non a X come d'uso adesso nelle nuove costruzioni e che da quello che leggo sono più rispondenti alle manovre (forse per battelli più "piccoli" e che permettono manovre più agili in mari più stretti e bassi...)

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