Youtube Video Showing The Italian Landings In Corsica Nov. 1942

[ptdockyard]

Here is a video showing Italian forces invading Southern France in November 1942

 

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At 4:20 there is a shot of one of the Motoscafo landing boats modified from Venice landing boats. Does anyone have drawings or better photos of these craft?

 

Right about 4:36 into the video we see some Italian Navy fishing boats modified for landing troops, I would be very interested in better photos of these too!

 

At 5:10 we can see a big trawler. Does anyone know what ship this is?

 

Thanks,

Dave G.

The PT Dockyard

Modificato 8 Aprile, 2011 da Alagi

[de domenico]

Here is a video showing Italian forces invading Southern France in November 1942

 

!

 

At 4:20 there is a shot of one of the Motoscafo landing boats modified from Venice landing boats. Does anyone have drawings or better photos of these craft?

 

Right about 4:36 into the video we see some Italian Navy fishing boats modified for landing troops, I would be very interested in better photos of these too!

 

At 5:10 we can see a big trawler. Does anyone know what ship this is?

 

Thanks,

Dave G.

The PT Dockyard

http://www.ptdockyard.com

 

The large trawler is clearly one of the 24 300-ton Fischdampfer built in Germany in 1924 for two Italian fishing shipowners as an item of war reparations due for WW.I, 18 of them with "fish" names and 6 more with "constellation" names. Four were purchased outright by the Regia Marina in 1931-33, 12 more were requisioned as escort vessels (F boats) at the outbreak of WW.II, another one was purchased in 1942. See the link below.

The much smaller Italian fishing boats (under 100 grt) were very common all over the Italian harbours.

As for the Venice lagoon motoscafi modified for the Malta landings (in the picture with the old cruiser BARI, also ex-German), I think I should be able to find a photo.

 

 

https://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php?show...=30147&st=0

Modificato 27 Dicembre, 2010 da de domenico

[de domenico]

I'm sorry, no photos of the 25 converted motoscafi lagunari (MF) have come up. I post instead a few pictures of the 100 ML, or landing motolance, which were built ad hoc for the Malta operation and were to be used together with the 65 motozattere or MZ, the 4 water tankers/minelayers of the GARIGLIANO and SESIA classes, some Messina Straits ferries, many converted "bragozzi" (Adriatic Sea schooners) etc.

 

"Operazione C3: Malta", Mariano Gabriele, Ufficio Storico Marina Militare, 1990

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[ptdockyard]

Thank you! Many of the photos of the Motolance boats are new to me.

 

 

 

Perhaps the trawler shown is the Petsamo? She later was in the 1 Transportflottille (Traflo) operating along S. France-Italian coast as TR-105.

 

 

Dave G

The PT Dockyard

Modificato 8 Aprile, 2011 da Alagi

[de domenico]

Well Dave, PETSAMO as TR 105 is news to me. I only knew about TR 106, ex Regio Dragamine RD 49, for the same 1. Transportflottille.

[ptdockyard]

Here is the list of escorts for the 1 TraFlo

 

TR 101 - M.B.43/Gerry

 

TR 102 - Marélyn (7.29) Brit. M/Y Braemar, 19.. French Helois, 193. Maréyln,

 

1939 French Navy minesweeper AD 128, 9.43 taken over Antibes, 10.43 M 7606,

TR 102, ?

 

TR 103 - La Cerbère, French customs, 24.8.39-1.8.40 AD 161, 43 TR 103,

25.4.44 M 7607

 

TR 104 - unknown

 

TR 105 - Petsamo(29.7.24 Ital. fishing bt. Tonno, 1940 Petsamo, 20.6.40 F.64

Italian navy, 8.9.43 German, 44 leader boat 1.Tr.flotilla, 24.4.45 scuttled

Genova

 

TR 106 ex RD 49

 

 

Dave G

The PT Dockyard

Modificato 8 Aprile, 2011 da Alagi

[de domenico]

Thanks, Dave, that's very useful. Just a little "addenda & corrigenda" to your list:

TR 101 was the ex Guardia di Finanza MotoBarca M.B.43 (12 tons displ.), taken over at Genova, but not the ex GERRY, which was a former British motor-yacht of 107 grt/1936 taken over at Cannes and renamed M7605 by the KM;

TR 102 ex M7606 ex AD.128 MARELYN ex HELOIS ex BRAEMAR, another motor-yacht, 123 grt/1929, taken over at Antibes, returned to owner 1945;

TR 103 ex M7607 ex AD.161 CERBERE, 79 grt;

TR 104 ....

TR 105 ex F64 PETSAMO ex TONNO, 309 grt/1924;

TR 106 ex RD 49, 221 t displ./1921.

A rather curious assembly, that..

[ptdockyard]

Thanks,

Both the MB.43 and the "Gerry" bore the TR-101 title, but at different times.

 

Here is a discussion on another forum.

 

http://forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php/topic,8220.0.html

 

 

I have a copy of the 1TraFlo 's War Diary. The Petsamo shows up in many instances.

 

 

Dave G

The PT Dockyard

Modificato 8 Aprile, 2011 da Alagi

[de domenico]

A little more info of French origin (J.M. Roche): MARELYN AD (Arraisonneur-Dragueur) 128, requisition Marine Nationale at Nice 28.8.1939, decomm. 16.11.1940. CERBERE, AD 161, built 1939, requisition MN 24.8.1939 at Port Vendres, decomm. 1.8.1940 at Marseille.

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[ptdockyard]

Here is a picture of the MARELYN as a yacht ( in her former name Braemar)

 

And of the Cerbere before the war

 

 

I have not found any wartime photos of either yet. All I know is that that had at least 1-37mm each.

 

Dave G

The PT Dockyard

Modificato 8 Aprile, 2011 da Alagi

[Pinin]

The Corsica video trawler seems to be Palmaiola.

[de domenico]

The Corsica video trawler seems to be Palmaiola.

 

Welcome on board, Pinin. I only have a photo of PALMAIOLA (built at Hull in 1902 as the SAXON), from Museo Storico Navale in Venice, published in the classic "Italian Warships of World War I" by the late Aldo Fraccaroli and posted in "naviearmatori.net" by m1000f. The bow profile, the hull line amidships and the bridge don't match: however the boat could have been modified after the photo was taken.

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[Pinin]

Grazie de domenico.

 

I have this 2 photos.

 

 

 

I have also made this multiple(two) frame composite of video:

 

Modificato 2 Gennaio, 2011 da Pinin

[de domenico]

There is a photo of a motoscafo lagunare converted into a landing craft (MF no. 819: bragozzis wore numbers in the 900 range, MZs in the 700 to 820 range, SESIAs in the 840 range, MLs in the 600 range, MAS in the 500 range etc.) in Bagnasco & Cernuschi's "Le navi da guerra italiane 1940-1945", but I'm not sure I can post it without prior authorisation.

Modificato 9 Gennaio, 2011 da de domenico

[ICEMAN]

Welcome on board, Pinin. I only have a photo of PALMAIOLA (built at Hull in 1902 as the SAXON), from Museo Storico Navale in Venice, published in the classic "Italian Warships of World War I" by the late Aldo Fraccaroli and posted in "naviearmatori.net" by m1000f. The bow profile, the hull line amidships and the bridge don't match: however the boat could have been modified after the photo was taken.

 

 

Grazie de domenico.

 

I have this 2 photos.

 

 

 

I have also made this multiple(two) frame composite of video:

 

 

 

 

Navigando sul libro "Navi mercantili Perdute" dellìUSMM, mi sono imbattutto in una bella foto della vedetta foranea F 68 Procione e guardando la mimetizzazione si evince che sia proprio la nostra nave in questione.......ecco non Palmaiola ma Vedetta Foranea Procione....

 

Cordiali saluti

 

Marco

[de domenico]

Hai assolutamente ragione: è il PROCIONE, uno dei 24 trawlers costruiti in Germania nel 1924 a titolo di riparazioni di guerra per l'Italia, come avevo già ipotizzato nel mio precedente post #2. Costruito da Deutsche Werke a Ruestringen, 296 tsl, per la SA Pesca e Reti Italiana (SA.P.R.I.) di Roma. Nave scorta della Regia Marina (pilotaggio Foraneo F 68) dal 1.6.1940, il 18.4.1943 derequisito e usato temporaneamente come trasporto passeggeri dalla Navigazione Toscana, requisito dalla Kriegsmarine a settembre 1943 (sigla?), autoaff. a San Remo il 24 aprile 1945, recuperato e demolito nel dopoguerra.

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[Pinin]

Corretto!

 

http://www.cherini.eu/mmi/17%20Marina%20Me...%20foranea.html