Lider, Il Nuovo Kirov Per Contrastare Gli Usa

[Totiano*]

Vi riporto un interessante articolo di Defencetalk, forse da prendere "con le molle" perché ricorda le provocazione dei media ai tempi della guerra fredda per stimolare il congresso a sorsare fondi per nuovi armamenti.

la classe Lider sembra sarà un cacciatorpediniere a propulsione nucleare da 200 mt di lunghezza e 17.500 t di dislocamento, piena di armamenti come nella migliore filosofia delle navi sovietiche. Si parla di 12 unità della classe nel 2025 e questo significa che, a dispetto delle tante versioni che si vedono in rete, il progetto deve avere già assunto una fisionomia definitiva, anche se lo stesso articolo mette in dubbio la fattibilità di una simile impresa.

Ma la parte più preoccupante è la frase finale, ovvero la possibilità di un accordo sino-russo per sviluppare propulsione ed armamenti.

Mi sembra comunque un'ottima risposta al DDG 1000 Zumwalt

 

 

 

Russia’s Lider-Class Nuclear Destroyer Project Hits Pentagon’s Raw Nerve

 

Amidst the US/NATO’s saber-rattling and muscle flexing in Europe the US’ thought leaders and military strategists are still largely unnerved by Russia’s consistent military modernization; Russia’s new Lider-class destroyers are seemingly giving the Pentagon the shivers.

The US has kicked off the biggest allied airborne military exercises in Europe since the end of the Cold War apparently aimed at boosting Washington’s confidence in its military superiority.

Still, Russia’s new Lider (Leader)-class destroyers are evidently giving US military experts the shivers, prompting a heated debate on whether or not Russia is able to revive its military industry after since the collapse of the USSR.

However, Russia’s actions aimed at modernizing its army speak louder than words. In late June, the Russian Navy announced that it plans to begin construction of new Lider-class destroyers in 2019, according to Navy Commander-in-Chief Adm. Viktor Chirkov.

Russia’s new warships will have a displacement of about 17,500 tons, a length of 200 meters and a breadth of 20 meters. Equipped with 60 anti-ship cruise missiles, 128 anti-aircraft guided missiles and 16 anti-ship guided missiles, the nuclear powered destroyer will reportedly reach a speed of 30 knots and remain at sea up to 90 days without support.

Experts note that the vessel would become the world’s third nuclear-powered destroyer after the American USS Truxtun (DLGN-35) and USS Bainbridge (DLGN-25). However, according to designers, Russia’s warship will outpace its American counterparts.

“Dubbed the Lider class, these warships would feature the nuclear power and armament capacity of the massive Soviet-era Kirov battlecruisers. For reference, the 28,000 ton Kirov class has thrice the displacement of and carries roughly twice the armament of its nominal US Navy counterpart, the AEGIS cruiser,” US journalist Ben Hernandez noted in his article published by the National Interest.

“Cutting a distinctive silhouette, the Lider would easily outgun the largest ships in the US or Chinese arsenals. Their nuclear power plants would allow them to sortie worldwide, limited only by food and ammunition supplies – the finest naval power projection to be found outside of aircraft carriers,” Hernandez added.

The Russian Navy is expected to receive twelve Lider-class destroyers by 2025.

Predictably, this prospect is annoying US military strategists who call into question Russia’s ability to complete such a “grandiose” project on time and labeling the warships as “budget breakers.”

It is worth mentioning that in March 2015 Vasily Kashin, an expert at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, pointed out that the Russian Navy’s Lider project opens up an opportunity for Sino-Russian cooperation in creating nuclear-powered systems and naval armaments.

 

 

una delle tante versioni reperibili in rete da http://nosint.blogspot.it/2012_01_01_archive.html

 

[lazer_one*]

Tutti i progetti russi sono identificati da un numero: questo è il Project 23560.

Utilizzando la definizione in cirillico (Перспективный эсминец / НИР Лидер / пр.23560) vengono fuori diverse immagini di modelli in scala e dei disegni: alcuni sono estremamente "aggressivi" come quelli mostrati nel sito http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-636.html

Notate la data 17 giugno 2015...

 

 

[Squadrag54]

bel progetto però più che una nave mi sembra un condominio.

[giovanni1508]

bel progetto però più che una nave mi sembra un condominio.

 

...d'accordo al 100 % !

 

Dal punto di vista modellistico lo trovo abbastanza intrigante...

[Iscandar]

Perdonatemi ci manca solo che i giapponesi se ne escano con questa, che tra l'altro è più nave di quel progetto

[LT Melekhin *]

bel progetto però più che una nave mi sembra un condominio.

 

O, al limite, una riedizione moderna delle Fuso...

...venuta un po' male

[Iscandar]

scusate e con le onde del mare del nord come la mettiamo? pento che l'altezza metacentrica, credo sia questo il termine, sia molto alta e che questa sia una nave molto ondeggiante, anche se dal modellino più che delle alette stabilizzatrici abbia delle ali stabilizzatrici.

[lazer_one*]

scusate e con le onde del mare del nord come la mettiamo? pento che l'altezza metacentrica, credo sia questo il termine, sia molto alta e che questa sia una nave molto ondeggiante, anche se dal modellino più che delle alette stabilizzatrici abbia delle ali stabilizzatrici.

...in effetti potrebbe essere un problema ma occorre tener conto dell'impianto nucleare che, al di là di qualunque ottimizzazione volumetrica e di peso, rappresenta una bella massa anche solo pensando al piombo per la schermatura.

Potrebbe forse rollare molto mantenendo comunque la stabilità...

[Totiano*]

Credo si possa riassumere il tutto con questa frase del CASMM Russa Kasatonov:

"the development means that the country has regained geopolitical interests in remote corners of the world now" (Lo sviluppo significa che la nazione ha riacquisito interessi geopilitici nei remoti angoli del mondo)

 

L'articolo di Defencetalk al link http://www.defencetalk.com/new-russian-navy-destroyer-to-replace-several-warship-types-67882/ dice chiaramente che i nuovi cacciatorpediniere nucleari della classe Leader (o Lider) sono in fase di studio e che le prime lamiere saranno tagliate dopo il 2018.

 

New Russian Navy Destroyer to Replace Several Warship Types

The Project 23560 Leader-class destroyer will replace several warship types at once in the Russian Navy’s inventory, including guided missile cruisers and large antisubmarine warfare (ASW) ships. The Severnoye Design Bureau has started working on her engineering design, according to the Izvestia daily.

The ship will displace about 17,500 tons, which will make her close enough to Project 1144 Orlan-class (NATO reporting name: Kirov-class) heavy missile cruisers in terms of dimensions. According to former Russian Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief Admiral Igor Kasatonov, the development of a ship like that implies certain geopolitical interests of Russia’s leadership. Metal will be cut for the new warship after 2018, according to the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC). In all, a series of eight destroyers is planned.

Nuclear-powered cruisers have the self-sustained operating capability and formidable weaponry and can operate anywhere in the world. The Russian Navy has not ordered ships like that since 1989. Hence, the development means that the country has regained geopolitical interests in remote corners of the world now, Kasatonov noted.

Valery Polovinkin, advisor to the director general of the Krylov State Research Center that worked out the destroyer’s preliminary design, says the sophisticated ship will combine the best of several types of surface combatants at once. She will have antimissile and space defense capabilities and serve as a kind of strong point in the ocean.

The Leader will be a versatile ship triple-hatted as destroyer, large ASW ship and guided missile cruiser while being smaller than Project 1144 ships and carrying far more weaponry. The self-contained operation capability of similar ships is usually based on their stock of provisions, and their nuclear propulsion plants can do without refueling for years.

The advanced destroyer will be equipped with the RITM-200 nuclear power plant fitting the future Project 22220 icebreaker, which lead ship, the Arktika, was launched in June. The Leader’s power plant will propel her to 30 knots.

Judging by the mockup exhibited at the Army 2015 show, the warship will carry vertical launch systems (VLS) of the Kalibr (SS-N-27 Sizzler) missile system. Her long-range air defense (AD) weaponry will be in the form of the S-500 Prometei SAM system. The VLS of the Poliment-Redut system will handle short-range aerial threats. The VLS will be controlled by the Poliment active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar system. The Leader may carry two modules of the navalized version of the Pantsir-M SAM/gun system. She also will get a 130-mm A-192 versatile gun. Overall, the destroyer’s weapons suite will include, inter alia, a total of 200 missiles.

Naval arms expert Alexander Mozgovoi stressed that the final design of the Leader and her weapons suite may evolve considerably as her engineering design is being worked out.

Mozgovoi said the conceptual design had been unveiled not long ago, being much different from the preliminary design approved by the Defense Ministry. Given the high degree of the innovations and the need for the complete implementation of the advanced destroyer’s research groundwork laid down to date, considerable modifications are likely to be made to the design in the engineering design phase and to influence the plans for the construction of the series.

According to the expert, so large-scale a program was chosen owing exclusively to a problem with the Russian Navy’s import substitution – the lack of a domestic manufacturer of gas-turbine propulsion plants. On the other hand, nuclear ones are in production in this country, the success of the nuclear-powered icebreaker construction program being a good case in point. The Kalibr-armed Project 21631 ships, which received raving reports during the Syrian campaign, have short legs, with their endurance being within 30 days – approximately as long as it takes them to cruise from Murmansk to Gibraltar. Nuclear-powered destroyers have a virtually unlimited range.

Correcting design errors at any design stage, let alone during the construction, costs and arm and a leg, Kasatonov says. Errors delay the commissioning of sophisticated warships too much. Some of the said ships have been in trial operation, undergoing endless improvements that do not lead to the implementation of the initial ideas in the end, and the crunch time is coming for the program for this very reason, according to the Izvestia daily.

[Totiano*]

Secondo fonti del cantoere  russo Severnoye Design Bureau, sembra che la Russia abbia, almeno momentaneamente, abbandonato lo sviluppo del progetto 23560, ovvero la classe di Cacciatorpedinieri noti come Lider,  e il progetto 22350M oovvero lo sviluppo delle fragete classe Admiral Gorshkov class.

I motivi addotti dal governo sarebbero riconducibili alla crisi finanziaria in corso

 

[Alfabravo 59*]

On 8/28/2015 at 8:31 AM, lazer_one said:

Tutti i progetti russi sono identificati da un numero: questo è il Project 23560.

 

😀Questo progetto mi ricorda le due corazzate Giapponesi cl. FUSO in versione "stealth"😀