guglievan Inviato 12 Maggio, 2007 Segnala Share Inviato 12 Maggio, 2007 Mi sono divertito, per curiosità, a raccogliere i dati sulle unitàche sono state in servizio per maggior tempo nella nostra marina, scegliendo quelle che hanno superato i 40 anni di attività: non credevo che fossero così tante. Preciso che non sono andato troppo per il sottile in quanto alla loro denominazione di categoria, agli eventuali declassamenti, ecc., così come le date possono non essere precisi in quanto non sempre si ha a disposizione tutta la documentazione (si ha la data del varo ma non quella della consegna, quella del disarmo ma non della radiazione oppure una nave poteva essere giàrimasta abbandonata allo stato di relitto molti anni prima della radiazione). Sono anche sicuro che l'elenco non è completo sopratutto per quanto riguarda le unitàminori ma, ripeto, ho voluto solo fornire un quadro curioso. Penso che il possedere navi anziane, a parte, ovviamente, di non doverle mandare allo sbaraglio in prima linea, non sia una cosa deleteria, a patto che restino efficienti. Infatti, al di làdell'asserzione menefreghistica e velata di incompetenza "costa più ripararla che comprarla nuova" che sentiamo anche a proposito delle nostre autovetture, una nave anziana testimonia: -La competenza dell'azienda costruttrice e dei progettisti -La bravura delle maestranze che la tengono in efficienza -L'amore e la cura dei loro comandanti e egli equipaggi -L'oculatezza dell'amministrazione che spende i propri soldi veramente dove serve. Guglielmo P.S. Scusate il disrodine, ma non sono riuscito a copiare la tabella anni Cisterna Tronto 1890-1968 78 “ Simeto 1906-1983 77 Rimorchiatore Volosca 1897-1974 77 Nave scuola Vespucci 1931- 76 Avviso Sesia 1830-1905 75 Nave scuola Palinuro 1935- 72 Rimorchiatore Porto Torres 1891-1965 74 “ Pozzi 1912-1982 70 “ n. 32 1907-1973 67 Trasporto Rampino 1912-1977 65 Cisterna Mincio 1929-1993 64 Rimorchiatore Piombino 1916-1980 64 Cisterna Frigido 1912-1975 63 Nave appoggio Ercole 1902-1964 62 Cisterna Ofanto 1914-1976 62 Rimorchiatore Capodistria 1887-1949 62 “ San Cataldo 1931-1992 61 “ Arzachena 1931-1991 60 “ Gorgona 1912-1982 59 “ n. 87 1916-1975 59 “ Palmaria 1933-1991 58 “ Tagliamento 1913-1971 58 “ Argentario 1916-1973 57 “ Porto Empedocle 1914-1971 57 “ RL 1 1917-1973 56 “ n. 47 1915-1971 56 Cisterna Lerici 1916-1971 55 Corvetta Cristina 1812-1866 54 Fregata caracciolo 1811-1865 54 Rimorchiatore San Vito 1917-1971 54 “ Promontore 1914-1968 54 “ Lipari 1917-1971 54 MOC 1202 1945-1999 54 “ 1203 1945-1998 53 “ 1205 1945-1998 53 Rimorchiatore San Pietro 1918-1971 53 “ Chioggia 1916-1969 53 Nave appoggio Curzola 1890-1943 53 Rimorchiatore Tino 1931-1983 52 “ Pantelleria 1931-1983 52 “ Mestre 1916-1968 52 “ Ostia 1914-1968 52 “ San Giusto 1942-1993 51 Nave appoggio Cavezzale 1943-1994 51 Nave salvataggio Proteo 1951-2001 50 Trasporto Washington 1854-1904 50 Rimorchiatore Salvore 1929-1979 50 Dragamine Astice 1957- 50 “ Mitilo 1957- 50 “ Porpora 1957- 50 “ Squalo 1957-2006 49 Rimorchiatore Gagliardo 1939-1988 49 MOC 1208 1945-1994 49 Nave appoggio Quarnerolo 1896-1945 49 Cannoniera Fata 1896-1945 49 “ N. 2 1860-1908 48 Cisterna Giglio 1885-1933 48 “ Dalmazia 1923-1971 48 “ Alberga 1942-1990 48 “ Guardiano 1875-1923 48 “ Murano 1875-1923 48 “ Leno 1925-1973 48 Dragamine D 10 1896-1943 47 Rimorchiatore Colosso 1939-1986 47 “ Diligente 1898-1945 47 Nave scuola Palinuro 1896-1943 47 Trasporto Buffoluto 1924-1971 47 Cannoniera N. 4 1860-1907 47 “ Pioppo 1954-2000 46 MTF 1301 1945-1991 46 “ 1302-1303 1945-1990 45 Corazzata Castelfidardo 1865-1910 45 Rimorchiatore Atleta 1943-1989 46 “ Forte 1943-1989 46 “ Tenace 1943-1989 46 “ n. 1 1919-1965 46 “ Noli 1928-1973 45 “ Colosso 1944-1989 45 Cisterna Verde 1879-1924 45 Trasporto Luni 1858-1903 45 “ Conte di Cavour 1855-1900 45 “ Ercole 1944-1989 45 Corvetta Albatros 1955-2001 46 “ Airone 1955-2001 46 “ Alicone 1955-2001 46 Fregata Vittorio Emanuele 1856-1900 46 MOC 1207 1945-1989 44 Incrociatore Vespucci 1884-1928 44 Cannoniera n. 3 1860-1904 44 “ Sorrento 1884-1928 44 “ Cattaro 1899-1943 44 Cisterna Bisagno 1886-1930 44 “ Arno 1930-1974 44 Dragamine Mirto 1956-2000 44 “ Palma 1957-2001 44 “ Bambù 1956-1999 43 “ Mogano 1956-1999 43 “ Aragosta 1957-2000 43 “ Polipo 1957-2000 43 “ Sgombro 1957-2000 43 CT Abba 1915-1958 43 CT Mosto 1915-1958 43 Rimorchiatore Boeo 1942-1985 43 “ RL 3 1917-1960 43 “ RL 9 1917-1960 43 “ n. 53 1915-1957 42 Fregata Euridice 1828-1869 41 Trasporto Chioggia 1878-1920 42 Traghetto Tarantola 1942-1994 42 Fregata Des Geneys 1827-1869 42 Corazzata Formidabile 1862-1904 42 “ Terribile 1862-1903 41 “ Affondatore 1866-1907 41 “ Duilio 1915-1956 41 CT Carini 1917-1958 41 Fregata Maria Adelaide 1859-1900 41 Avviso Gulnara 1834-1875 41 Dragamine Frassino 1954-1995 41 Cisterna Sarno 1889-1930 41 Cannoniera n.1 1860-1901 41 “ N. 5 1860-1901 41 Dragamine Castagno 1954-1995 41 “ Platano 1954-1995 41 “ Mango 1956-1997 41 Cisterna Pagano 1878-1919 41 Nave appoggio Bafile 1944-1985 41 Cisterna Tevere 1897-1938 41 Nave appoggio Bafile 1944-1985 41 Rimorchiatore Carbonara 1937-1978 41 “ n. 41 1914-1955 41 Nave salvataggio Anteo 1914-1954 40 Cisterna Dora 1894-1934 40 “ Oristano 1914-1954 40 “ Stura 1942-1982 40 Dragamine Larice 1953-1993 40 Corazzata Regina Maria Pia 1864-1904 40 “ Doria 1916-1956 40 Citare Link al commento Condividi su altri siti More sharing options...
Visitatore Kashin Inviato 12 Maggio, 2007 Segnala Share Inviato 12 Maggio, 2007 Alcuni dei rimorchiatori da te citati , si sono stati radiati dal quadro MMI ma hanno avuto una seconda vita nella Marina Mercantile presso i porti nazionali .....e continuano ad averla !!!! A rafforzare la bonta' della costruzione ..... :s20: :s20: Citare Link al commento Condividi su altri siti More sharing options...
Visitatore Max "Quarnaro" Inviato 12 Maggio, 2007 Segnala Share Inviato 12 Maggio, 2007 Giàche si parla di navi "anziane".....avete mai sentito parlare della "Germanic"? Se vi interessa posto qualcosa di più. Citare Link al commento Condividi su altri siti More sharing options...
guglievan Inviato 12 Maggio, 2007 Autore Segnala Share Inviato 12 Maggio, 2007 No, non la conosco: che storia ha? Con l'occasione: -Credo che in assoluto la nave da guerra più anziana sia peruviana e usata tut'oggi sul lago Titicaca, dopo aver superato di gran lunga superato i 120 (!) anni di età. Resta da vedere in che condizioni sia e se, effettivamente, assolva ancora a qualche compito(oltre a galleggiare) -Date un'occhiata su Google Hearth:a Talcahuano, in Cile, si vede l'inconfondibile sagoma del monitore Huascar. Su Sky tempo fa gli dedicarono un documentario: è ancora una nave in condizioni perfette: con un minimo di raddobbo sarebbe potuta andare a tirare un paio di cannonate a qualche beduino, con buona pace di tutte le tecnologie moderne. -Per finire, non sono mai riuscito a trovare un'immagine o almeno un disegno del Tronto, la nostra decana. Qualcuno la conosce? Guglielmo Citare Link al commento Condividi su altri siti More sharing options...
Visitatore Max "Quarnaro" Inviato 12 Maggio, 2007 Segnala Share Inviato 12 Maggio, 2007 (modificato) Ho controllato in rete.....la venerabile Huascar è diventata un museo, quindi non è più in servizio. In quanto alla Germanic.....la sua storia comincia nel luglio 1874 quando fu varato. Questo transatlantico della White Star Line fu a lungo uno dei più grandi transatlantici del mondo ed era considerato uno dei più sicuri. Nel 1910 fu venduto alla Turchia che lo ribattezzò prima Gul Djemal, poi Gulcemal. Fu smantellato nel 1950. DAL SITO: "THE GREAT OCEAN LINERS" In the beginning of the 1870s, the White Star Line felt it was time to update their fleet. At this time, speed was still one of the most important things for the company. It was not until about twenty years later that White Star decided against extremely fast vessels. The new tonnage would be a pair beginning with the 5,000-tonner Britannic in 1874. With an average Atlantic crossing time of over 15 knots, she took both the west- and the eastbound speed record, thus acquiring the prestigious Blue Riband. The Britannic became an immediate success on the North Atlantic, and regular passengers could not wait for her future sister to enter service. Finally, on July 15, 1874 the brand new Germanic was launched into the River Lagan from her Harland and Wolff slip. Just like the Britannic, the Germanic had cost the White Star Line £200,000 to build. That is to compare with Cunard Line’s ‘Project Queen Mary’ of today, which will cost approximately £3,000,000,000. Also, like the Britannic, the Germanic had had a drop-propeller system installed, but during the time it was noticed on the Britannic that it was not very useful, the system was removed on the still-not-completed Germanic. In early 1875, the Germanic was completed, but she was kept in Belfast until May because White Star did not want to receive her until the start of the Atlantic summer season. Then, on May 30, when furnished and painted, she set out on her maiden voyage. She replaced the White Star Line's first steam vessel - the Oceanic. In July, the Germanic managed to take the Blue Riband in A nice drawing depicting the Germanic in port. possession on the eastbound run. She had crossed the Atlantic in a mere seven days, eleven hours and seventeen minutes, resulting in an average crossing speed of 15.76 knots. In February the next year she bettered her eastbound record somewhat and by this time the sisters Britannic and Germanic was recognised as the best liners in service. The first major problem that occurred with the Germanic took place when the ship was south east of Ireland. The propeller shaft snapped, and Germanic had to use her sails in order to make it to the Irish port of Waterford. In 1895, White Star ordered the Germanic to go through a major refit to modernise the ship. The old engine had to give way for one of the new breed - a triple expansion one. Added to this, her funnels were heightened and the distinguished rigging on the masts were removed. One of the most dangerous events for the ship itself in the Germanic’s long career occurred on February 13, 1899. When at New York harbour, during a bad blizzard, the ship was being coaled when she suddenly healed over to the port, allowing water to enter through the open coaling doors. The Germanic sunk to the bottom of the harbour and the ship’s side rested against the dockside. The reason for the ship’s unaccounted healing over was that during the blizzard, large amounts of snow and ice had gathered on her upper decks, thus making her top heavy. When the ship was sounded shortly afterwards it was discovered that her passenger accommodation areas had not been damaged at all. Probably, this saved the 24-year-old vessel from scrapping, and ten days later she was righted so pumping of the water and patching could commence in order to get the ship to Belfast for reparations. The ship was altogether out of service for another four months before she was put back on her ordinary Liverpool-New York service. In late 1903, the IMM decided to move the Germanic within the company to the smaller American Line. The final voyage she made under White Star authority was on September 23, and the rest of the winter she spent laid up. When the American Line officially acquired the vessel, they decided to keep the name Germanic instead of renaming her. The new route was between Southampton and New York. However, Germanic did not stay long in the American Line. After only six voyages she was transferred again to the Dominion Line. From now on she would only carry emigrants. In 1905, the Germanic was finally renamed and her new name became Ottawa on January 5. She was now transferred to Canadian waters only during the summers when she sailed regularly between Québec and Montreal. She stayed on this service for another four years. In October 1909 she was laid up, awaiting an uncertain future. The savours of the Ottawa proved to be from Turkey. In 1910, the Turkish Government bought the vessel for transport use. She was to become part of a fleet consisting of five other ships. She left Liverpool on March 15, 1911 and sailed for her new home country. By this time she had been renamed Gul Djemal. She would be operated by the Administration de Nav. A Vapeur Ottomane in Istanbul. Later the same year the ex-Germanic carried Turkish troops to the war in Yemen. During World War I, the Gul Djemal was still in Turkish ownership, thus serving on the German side of the conflict. In April 1915, The sleek Germanic while still under British ownership. the vessel was used as a transport to rush Turkish troops to the Gallipoli Peninsula. They were certainly needed from the German point of view, since the British and the French had landed a giant army there together as an attempt to gain control of the strategic area. But one of the most terrible sea disasters in history occurred the same year on May 3, when the Gul Djemal was torpedoed and sunk down to the superstructure. At the moment she was carrying more than 4,000 troops of which the majority was lost in the waves. The Allied U-boat responsible – the E 14 – could claim an enormous bounty of £5 per Turk, plus assessed value. But the end of the former Germanic had not come yet. Because the ship had not sunk, and due to the need of transport ships, she was raised and sent to be repaired. The wartime history continued, and in 1918 the ship carried 1,500 German soldiers to the Allied control-point at Dover. Much confusion arose, with the result that all military personnel was disarmed and sent home to Germany. After the war, the Gul Djemal was transferred to the Ottoman American Line for emigrant service between Istanbul and New York. In this guise she made her first voyage on October 10, 1921. Some years later she had been transferred to the Turkish Black Sea coast. In 1928, she was again transferred, this time to Turkiye Seyrisefain Idaresi, and she was renamed Gulcemal. The rest of the Gulcemal’s career was not short, but not very eventful either. Some occurrences worth noting though, was that she grounded in the Sea of Marmora in 1931, and that she was degraded to a store ship in Istanbul as late as 1949. In 1950 she had become a floating hotel, but on October 29 the ex-Germanic’s fate had come very close. She was towed to Messina for breaking up after a 75-year-old record career. She had entered service under British authority when the state of Germany was very young. Two world wars later she had been on the other side, fighting together with Britain’s enemies. The former White Star liner had never lost her dignity, and when she was towed away to the scrap yard in Messina the old Germanic still sported the distinguished golden stripe along her hull. The Germanic/Ottawa/Gul Djemal/Gulcemal - Specifications: Length: 455 feet (139 m) Beam: 45.2 feet (13.8 m) Tonnage: 5,008 gross tons Engines: 2 x 2 cylinder tandem comp powering a single screw. Service speed: 15.5 knots Passengers: 1,720 people Daniel Othfors Link al sito "The Great Ocean Liners" Modificato 12 Maggio, 2007 da Max "Quarnaro" Citare Link al commento Condividi su altri siti More sharing options...
Pesce persico (e costruttivo...) Inviato 19 Maggio, 2007 Segnala Share Inviato 19 Maggio, 2007 Con questi chiari di luna a livello economico, ho l'impressione che il nuovo Cavour di anni ne vedràparecchi... Citare Link al commento Condividi su altri siti More sharing options...
Steven Inviato 27 Maggio, 2007 Segnala Share Inviato 27 Maggio, 2007 Rimorchiatore Volosca 1897-1974 77 bhe mi sa che i rimorchiatori abbiano il primato Citare Link al commento Condividi su altri siti More sharing options...
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